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cultural mascots are good cultural mascots are bad
Debate Score:173
Arguments:113
Total Votes:233
Ended:02/14/12
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Cultural Mascots

Should cultural mascots be changed?

cultural mascots are good

Side Score: 85
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cultural mascots are bad

Side Score: 88
Winning Side!
4 points

I think cultural mascots are good because a lot of Indian mascots that are after a certain type of mascot the Indians do like that. I've seen places where the sports team has an Indian mascot and sometimes they let that actual tribe come out and dance an old Indian dance.

Side: cultural mascots are good
2 points

and some places that use some kind of mascot get approval from that tribe like the Chicago black hawks they got permission to use the black hawks Indian mascot from the black hawk Indians.

Side: cultural mascots are good
19nprideaux Disputed
1 point

But other teams that don't get there name approved by the tribe. Most of the time that happens the tribes don't like the name and want it to be changed.

Side: cultural mascots are bad
19zderidder(11) Disputed
1 point

But that's not necessarily how they are actually like. That's how people think they are like, but they could be totally different. Maybe the dances are being done wrong and people find that offensive because they don't have any idea about the culture their team represents. The point I'm trying to make is the fact that the teams just use the mascots, and even if they're trying to "respect" them, they generally use stereotypical representations of the ethnic group and they could be totally misrepresenting them.

Side: cultural mascots are bad
19apaul(11) Disputed
2 points

Zach I am saying that the actual tribe does the dance so they know the dance and how to do it.

Side: cultural mascots are good
19lislinger(11) Clarified
1 point

So? The dances could be messed up at times. Doesn't always mean that they are making a fool out of other African Americans or whatever the dancer is representing. You have to think. The dance could have been done wrong. You never know. They may have messed up on something

The picture on the field, of an African American (or whatever the tribe may be), you have to realize, the team doesn't find it offensive. Others don't find it offensive. Some may find it offensive, but what is it to them? They have not been in the tribe, why complain. Your just making a fool out of yourself...

Side: cultural mascots are good
0 points

I agree, maybe they're not doing the right dance and it offends other people from the tribe. Also it might make other people look bad, in the Arab-American article it says if the mascot looks bad it will make the tribe look bad.

Side: cultural mascots are bad
19kradtke(10) Disputed
1 point

You don't have any evidence that the Indians like it. They might think the dance is offensive and stereotypical, as a lot of other tribes do.

Side: cultural mascots are bad
19mringer(16) Disputed
0 points

yes, that is only in very certain areas, and most Native Americans, are offended by these types of derogatory generalizations, not all of them act like that

Side: cultural mascots are bad
3 points

Cultural mascots are the best mascots and connect to the community that is why we need cultural mascot. The cultural mascot ban is a not needed thing and they already got rid of half of the cultural mascots there are only 1000 left. If we get rid of the cultural mascots that are liked by other people will lose spirit and so will the community. In the future if we got rid of all the cultural mascots no one will remember the culture of that town and it's history and we need some cultural mascots if people like having the culture shown to the people an show their pride. That is why we should not get rid of the cultural mascots.

Side: cultural mascots are good
3 points

The mascots for the sports teams are already animals and Indians, which again like I said before they are showing respect not insulting people. Maybe where they are is in a certain place where the name they choose is all about where they live and they are supporting them and showing respect when they put them on sports teams.

Side: cultural mascots are good
1 point

Cody is right and some people are not taking the time to think about the possibility's that the mascots can offer and they over react to fast and don't think.

Side: cultural mascots are good
1 point

I forgot to mention my source in the previous post. My source is Honor or Insult and the author is the Scholastic News Edition

Side: cultural mascots are good
19zderidder(11) Disputed
1 point

Let me bring up the definition of respect: admire (someone or something) deeply, as a result of their abilities, qualities, or achievements.

So, if they have them as their mascots they should be honoring their abilities, qualities, and achievements. They don't seem to be respecting them very well. They might be doing their ¨dance¨ which the school or place probably made up. The stuff they wear is what they think the tribe may wear, but it's mainly representative of just about every Native American culture in their opinion. If they were respecting the tribes, they would have the tribes teach them about their culture so the students would be able to actually respect them. Just putting them as their mascot and doing a little dance at a game doesn't make it respect.

Side: cultural mascots are bad
2 points

I think that mascots are good because they show appreciation for the true founders of America and are not offensive.

Side: cultural mascots are good
19zderidder(11) Disputed
2 points

Mascots can in fact be offensive. According to "Native American Mascots Devalues Culture," Abel Cooper brought his daughter to a football game and the team was a native american representative team. They started wearing things that people have no idea on what they represent and in a way were mocking native american culture.

Side: cultural mascots are bad
19lislinger(11) Clarified
1 point

You know what? I bet she cried... Cried TEARS OF JOY! She was so "happy" when she saw her mascot being cheered. 'Nuff Said...

Side: cultural mascots are good
19bsprecher(12) Disputed
0 points

Most native american tribes support having teams named after them, but there is a point i mentioned in my post, they don't like random items named after them(Read quote at end of my claim).

Side: cultural mascots are good
19kradtke(10) Disputed
2 points

To most people in that category, the mascots are offensive for many reasons, such as that they are mascots of sports teams as well as animals, and they do not like being put in that category, they want to be treated as people.

Side: cultural mascots are bad
19tanderson1 Clarified
1 point

Right,because towns mascots have meaning behind them. So why take the mascot away. Then they will have to change it to something dumb.

Side: cultural mascots are good
19nprideaux Disputed
1 point

However in the Native American Mascot Devalues Culture article it says Mr. Cooper took his daughter to a high school football game and she cried because the cheerleader made there dance look bad.

Side: cultural mascots are bad
FisherZies78(8) Disputed
1 point

That's your opinion but some of the cultural mascots are made to look dumb and mean and don't even care about what the mascots really mean. So people like Indians can be very offended by the Cleveland Indians mascot because it makes them look like a demon

Side: cultural mascots are bad
19lislinger(11) Clarified
2 points

Some Indians aren't offended.... Ever think of how the Indians might feel if they are being represented in a GOOD way? The Indians did things their way, and we do things our way.

Side: cultural mascots are good
19nprideaux Disputed
1 point

But if they offend a group of people they should change it so no one will be mad at anyone

Side: cultural mascots are bad
19jkarweick(4) Disputed
1 point

But the way the acted and preformed and wore could offend Native Americans

Side: cultural mascots are bad
2 points

People have their underwear in a bunch, they need to leave it alone, and the mascots are original so they should keep them.

Side: cultural mascots are good
2 points

people that have had their mascot for a very long time now have to change why haven't the people that think it should be change take so long to think that it should be changed

Side: cultural mascots are good
19jkarweick(4) Disputed
1 point

Well look out why cues it made a girl cry so ya you think they still got thar underwear in a bunch

Side: cultural mascots are bad
2 points

I think that the mascots that are used with names like the red socks, and Indians are not trying to offend or insult anyone in any way. When sport teams do use the names of peoples groups they are simply showing respect and honoring the people that are Indians, and the red socks.

Side: cultural mascots are good
19kradtke(10) Disputed
2 points

Yes, I agree that they are trying to, but in most cases people find the fact that they are being put in the category as sports teams mascots as well as animals offensive.

Side: cultural mascots are bad
1 point

In this quote I forgot to mention the my source. My source is Honor or Insult and the author is the Scholastic News Edition.

Side: cultural mascots are good
2 points

People are just taking to much offence to a mascot name, People need to chill.

Side: cultural mascots are good
3 points

exactly people think it is offensive it is really to me honorable but no the people don't see that

Side: cultural mascots are good
19kradtke(10) Disputed
1 point

Well, it doesn't really matter that you think they are honorable, because you aren't part of a tribe that is a mascot for a school/sports team. People consider them offensive because in a lot of cases they are. A lot of times, the teams create stereotypes about the tribe.

Side: cultural mascots are bad
FisherZies78(8) Disputed
2 points

Trevor look up the Cleveland Indians it's not the name it is what they make the mascot look like

Side: cultural mascots are bad
19lislinger(11) Clarified
2 points

Fisher, look up the Cleveland Indians. It's their name, and what they look like. They look no-how offensive to what I see them as....

Side: cultural mascots are good
2 points

I believe that we should keep the cultural mascots. One of my reasons is people are not a fended by it. Another one is kids like the look of the mascot. Some people might say "The natives would be highly a fended." But have you really asked them what their feel is on this.

People are a fend my butt! I read an artical on this topic and someone posted "I am black and it does not a fend me." If it does not a fend him why should it a fend people that are not native?

Kids like the look of the mascot a lot. A quote from,Mind of a Mascot, said "The campus is sliding with him.In a October vote 95% of the student body wanted the Aztec back." If that does not prove that kids like the look of the mascot? I do not know what would prove that they are bad.

I think that we should keep the mascots. Some people say they a fend but I don't think so. what do you think should we keep them?

Side: cultural mascots are good
2 points

Why are so many people offended by cultural mascots when probably 80-90% of the people that take offense are not even that race. HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IF IT IS OFFENSIVE TO THE INDIANS.

Side: cultural mascots are good
2 points

Off my last post why should white people care about weather they think the term redskin and Indian are offensive when most tribes support the team.

Side: cultural mascots are good
1 point

Exactly what ive been posting. Yay to Derek!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!1!1!11!

Side: cultural mascots are good
1 point

I think school mascots should be allowed and aren't disrespectful because many of the mascots have been here for a long while, and why complain about them now?

Side: cultural mascots are good
3 points

You are right lislinger. They have been for a very long time and some people are not a fended by it. I read an artical on somebody that said "I am black and it does not a fend me." He is native and it does not a fend him so why should people that are not native be a fend?

Side: cultural mascots are good
19mringer(16) Disputed
3 points

its not okay at all actually, if schools are named to have a native american mascot, then the children in the school are taught to devalue this culture and they typically imagine this is how the group acts or looks, and its not okay, and its because people are finally realizing that this is not okay

Side: cultural mascots are bad
1 point

I think they are okay for sport teams to use because most tribal people are very proud to have a team named after them. The Florida State University was the Seminoles and the tribes supported it, but in the end the court said they had to change it. The tribe itself supported it, isn't that enough evidence? One man said,"You name cars after our leader Pontiac, that real offensive, Apache helicopters? That's suggesting that the Apache tribe is war like and destroys all. Name a team after us, that's fine, its showing for a nice sports game, ain't nothing wrong with that,".

Side: cultural mascots are good
19kradtke(10) Disputed
1 point

Not all tribes are proud to have their tribe/race as the mascot of schools and sports teams. And in your evidence, the man also said that because of the mascot they are suggesting that his tribe is "war like and destroys us all." I am sure that that isn't a message they intend to get out.

Side: cultural mascots are bad
19zderidder(11) Disputed
1 point

Just because the tribe the team is named after supported it, it doesn't mean other people can't find it offensive. "American Indian Mascots and logos promote negative stereotypes." Barbara Munson, a member of the Oneida Tribe said this in the article "Honor or Insult?" She was simply offended by the Washington Redskins's logo and name and just because she doesn't live in Washington doesn't mean she can't be offended by it.

Side: cultural mascots are bad
1 point

People are over thinking it, mascots were not made to be offensive people need to clam down. The people who came up with the redskins did not mean harm.

Side: cultural mascots are good
FisherZies78(8) Disputed
3 points

They did not mean to but they did offend people so i think that is enough to let them no that it is offending people.

Side: cultural mascots are bad
19lislinger(11) Clarified
2 points

I bet you 84% of the world isn't offended by the mascots. 84% is tons.

Side: cultural mascots are good
1 point

The first team to have a mascot that was cultural was what, like 1901? why suddenly bring it up in the 1980's 80 years later? why not worry when they first made it?

Side: cultural mascots are good
19lislinger(11) Clarified
1 point

Thats exactly what I mean. It makes no reason to just RANDOMLY start calling out offensive mascots when it's been like 80 years later. Like, come on people...

Side: cultural mascots are good
1 point

yeah! There is no reasons for every one start calling people or teams out if they are a fend or not.

Side: cultural mascots are good
19stenor(13) Disputed
1 point

your post was based on an assumption, it seems like you don't know when there was the first cultural mascot, for all we know, the first cultural mascot could have been 1979. Also, this was a problem since it started, it only got a lot of recognition in 1980 and onwards

Side: cultural mascots are bad
1 point

No one should take offense to the being called what their skin color is I have no problem with the name ¨Redskins¨ because it is their skin color its not a racial slur people are overreacting about this dumb stuff and are going to far to get rid of the honor for the Indians. And if anyone differs say what dumb stereotypes they're spreading

Side: cultural mascots are good
19stenor(13) Disputed
1 point

The term redskin doesn't refer to the skin color, it refers to the scalps of Native Americans. Early settlers would trade and sell these scalps along with the pelts of animals. Also, you called them Indians, Native Americans would be the correct term.

Side: cultural mascots are bad
1 point

Its all the non-Natives that are doing this, ask the natives, most would say yes!

Side: cultural mascots are good
1 point

FOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRR TTTTTTHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WAAAAAARRRRRIIIIIOOOOOOOORRRRSSSS! That doesn't lways refer to native american tribes.

Side: cultural mascots are good
1 point

the national parks in like wisconsin, lets say thousand island, they have teepees set up, how is tnhat not offensive? its not in tribal lands and it is in a area showing it off to hundreds.

Side: cultural mascots are good
1 point

all those on the other side, tell me how isn't it? If it's just mascots, why don't they just do the others?

Side: cultural mascots are good
1 point

The Spartans, Trojans, and other teams, why isn't that offensive to Greeks?

Side: cultural mascots are good
19jkarweick(4) Disputed
1 point

But this is about native American mascots not Greek mascots

Side: cultural mascots are bad
2 points

I think cultural mascots at schools are bad, because to most people that have a relation to the mascots take it as offensive. Schools deliver stereotypes to the students that could offend certain people. For example, from the article "Honor or Insult?" it states that "...they show American Indian Culture in a cartoonish way."

Side: cultural mascots are bad
19bsprecher(12) Disputed
1 point

Not every team shows them in cartoonish way, the only team I think of is the Cleveland braves. High schools have some, but the majority isn't very cartoonish. Schools are the opposite of stereotypical things, they try to end stuff like that.

Side: cultural mascots are good
0 points

Another fact that shows schools deliver stereotypes is that according to the article "Arab-Americans Cry Foul over California High School Mascot", people and mascots dress in stereotypical clothes and/or do stereotypical things that people are offended by, because they are false in some way.

Side: cultural mascots are bad
1 point

I think schools should have to change offensive Mascots because schools should teach kids to respect other cultures. How can schools properly teach students to respect other cultures with mascots that are racist and offensive?

Supporting Evidence: Source (america.aljazeera.com)
Side: cultural mascots are bad
1 point

Another reason why schools should have to change offensive mascots is that when you think about sports teams, you think about animals and Indians, and according to the paper "Native American Mascots devalues culture" the Native Americans feel like they are in the same group as animals and they don't like that.

Side: cultural mascots are bad
1 point

Some mascots are bad some are offensive to native Americans like one mascot was dress with buck skin cloths and another was twirling fake tomhocks and some even acted so offensive it made a little girl cry.

Side: cultural mascots are bad
0 points

I think that cultural mascots are bad because they can promote negative stereotypes. Some teams like the Washington Redskins use names that can offend people from that cultural group (native americans). It doesn't help either, because people think that those things are just used for show when they can actually represent something behind the history of the group.

Side: cultural mascots are bad
19dhansen(7) Disputed
1 point

According to your evidence White people would take offense to being called white it why should people be offended by the color of their skin

Side: cultural mascots are good
19mringer(16) Disputed
2 points

that is another topic for another date, but being called something like that is not offensive, however, calling a native american tribe or group something like the redskins, is highly offensive, and is just in general offensive, and tell me Derek, are you offended by being called a name that is not derogatory?

Side: cultural mascots are bad
19lislinger(11) Clarified
-1 points

How can mascots be offended? Some mascots show how "True Warriors" they were back then. (Depending on what mascot). The mascots can bring back good memories from which they were back then. Whether they were good or bad. People still think of them as Roll Models.

Side: cultural mascots are good
19mringer(16) Disputed
3 points

It frankly depends on how this mascot is viewed by surrounding ethnic and cultural groups, if its okay to them, then that is an exception, however, if they are offended, it has become too much and its no longer okay

Side: cultural mascots are good
19zderidder(11) Disputed
2 points

Mascots can't be offended, but mascots can offend people. People don't really acknowledge all of the hardships their people have had to go through in the past. They generally have people just wearing the costumes, but that doesn't make it right.

Side: cultural mascots are good
0 points

I think cultural mascots are bad because it is offensive to some African Americans. In the Honor or Insult article Barbara Munsun said it promotes negative stereotypes.

Side: cultural mascots are bad
2 points

My evidence for the original post is when Indian mascot wear face paint on there faces it makes them look like they are mean.

Side: cultural mascots are bad
1 point

To add onto that, it also gets people used to the names that are "slang" terms for the ethnic group. They then use those names and someone could find it offensive if they hear it.

Side: cultural mascots are bad
19bsprecher(12) Disputed
0 points

Zach, if this is your claim you need more evidence to even try to make it refute why they're good.

Side: cultural mascots are good
19lislinger(11) Clarified
-1 points

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Side: cultural mascots are good
19lislinger(11) Clarified
0 points

No. No no no no no! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! African Americans think of themselves as true WARRIORS! 'Nuff Said...

Side: cultural mascots are good
19kradtke(10) Disputed
3 points

First of all, we aren't talking about African Americans. And second, of course Indians define themselves as warriors, but mascots and teams might not show that.

Side: cultural mascots are bad
0 points

not even that, as occasionally a group will be honored by e certain team, but on the other side, more often than not, a cartoonish and offensive mascot will show up and offend many people, and cause many issues as to why it is what it is, this is not okay, we should end the offense

Side: cultural mascots are bad
19lislinger(11) Clarified
1 point

Don't get me started. Kids love the cartoonish features. That's what makes kids fond of their mascots they are representing. "Cartoonish" character-like mascots wont offend people. Ever watch TV? There are some REALLY OFFENSIVE people on them (Cartoon wise) but people still laugh their pants off...

Side: cultural mascots are good
1 point

yes, like the old 1990's shows they were super racist, especially kids shows, even Pokemon or any other show!

Side: cultural mascots are bad
19zderidder(11) Disputed
1 point

Cartoon-ish characters that represent a mascot can offend people... it shows a bad perspective of how the actual tribe was. And kids don't get as easily offended by the mascots because they don't know any better yet. Some kids may be offended, who knows.

Side: cultural mascots are good
19dhansen(7) Disputed
1 point

Its their choice to be so offended over something that they don't have to care about. Take the Redskins for example, its a fact that their skin looks red its not really an offensive term and their logo looks cool and honors the native Americans.

Side: cultural mascots are good
19kradtke(10) Disputed
2 points

They do have to care about it, because it affects them. If people were doing things to offend you, wouldn't you be mad about it?

Side: cultural mascots are bad
0 points

I think that cultural mascots should be changed beacause it can very offensive to people, for example the clevland indians what is more offensive than a red indian who looks like the demon

Supporting Evidence: Clevland indians (baseballwallpapers10.net)
Side: cultural mascots are bad
19cstaerkel(10) Disputed
0 points

NO, they are not trying to offend people they are showing respect to the people who are those things like the red Indians. The people should be honored that the sports teams are using their names for respect.

Side: cultural mascots are good
19mringer(16) Disputed
3 points

well they obviously aren't doing that well, as their attempts to "Honor" the native Americans, just end up being derogatory and offensive towards the groups all around the U.S

Side: cultural mascots are bad
1 point

I think even some people like an Indian tribe gets paid to let other people use there mascot i wouldn't pay i would just let them use it.

Side: cultural mascots are good